“Words matter because clarity in words is a part of clarity in thinking, and because some words carry great emotional and symbolic weight, and thus should be not used lightly.” —Jeffrie G. Murphy

While the narrative of a suicidal person may be similar to someone wishing to take up the option of assisted dying when at the end stage of a terminal illness, they are quite different in meaning and require different responses and interventions.

In November 2021 the End of Life Choice Act allowing assisted dying became law. The previous year's public referendum saw a robust public debate about whether people have the right to end their life at a time of their choosing and, if so, under what circumstances. It presented a combination of philosophical, moral, legal and ethical dilemmas. The public debate highlighted the common misconception that assisted dying equates suicide.

The meaning of death for the suicidal person is also not singular, ranging from desire to escape intolerable ‘psych ache” through to the existential sense that life no longer has purpose or meaning.

For those with chronic mental illness or non-terminal illnesses such as chronic pain, the lack of quality of life is seen by some as a justification for ending one’s life. This often poses a dilemma in making a distinction between assisted dying and suicide and can be challenging for counsellors and clinicians. Having these difficult conversations will be a focus of this workshop.

Understanding the difference between assisted dying and suicidality is critical for those working with older people and those with a terminal illness. The workshop will cover the complex interrelationship of factors, the difference between suicidality and assisted dying and the appropriate responses and interventions for each.

The issues for those bereaved by suicide or assisted dying will also be covered as once again there are both differences and similarities in people’s responses to the deaths. Bereavement related suicidality will also be covered.

The workshop draws on the presenter's experience supportng people dying of AIDS which quite often involved having discussions about their death and their desire to decide on when and how they died. It was these discussions that necessitated Barry to examine his own attitudes towards assisted dying, particularly in light of his work in suicide prevention. From his reflections, his reading of the research on assisted dying and listening to both suicidal people and those dying he has developed a conceptual model that helps to examine the similarities and the differences between suicidality and assisted dying.

Designed specifically for those working in settings such as aged care, hospice, palliative care, illness specific organisations (e.g. Cancer Society) and loss and grief support services, this workshop allows for those from these sectors to collectively examine assisted dying or suicide from the perspctive of legal and ethical issues such as duty care, the ethics and legal obligations that informs good practice in suicide prevention and the philosophy of palliative and hospice care.

Rather than the presentation of definitive answers, the workshop is an opportunity for participants to explore the complexity and the tensions that arise in both suicide and assisted dying. There will be opportunity for open discussion and the raising of legal, ethical and moral issues for group consideration.

Topics Include:

The phenomenon of suicide – its meaning and the narrative of despair
Assisted Dying - What it is and and why it is such a dilemma
Conversations about ending one's life - what has been learnt from suicide prevention
Drawing the line – who we allow to voluntarily end their life and those we don’t
When does it stop being assisted dying and becomes suicidality?
Quality of life - an existential motivator for living
Depression and dying
Supporting those bereaved by suicide and assisted dying
Bereavement related suicidality

Online workshop delivery
The online workshop format for TaylorMade workshops is delivered via Zoom in modules. The length of each module is 3 hours.

This workshop series will be delivered on Mondays 7,14 & 21 July 2025 - 9.30am to 12.30pm

An opportunity for a day of learning with internationally respected suicidologist, Barry Taylor

Barry has worked in mental wellbeing promotion and suicide prevention/postvention for 35 years at the local, national and international levels. His extensive experience includes sitting on state and national government advisory committees; designing, implementing and evaluating suicide prevention programs; writing suicide prevention guidelines, training packages and community resources; providing technical advice to community based and national mental wellbeing and suicide prevention programs.

Throughout his career, he has been a strong advocate for more focused action on suicide in older people which he termed "the forgotten population." He is the only New Zealand member of the International Suicide in Older Persons Working Group. As a Health Sociologist and Public Health practitioner, Barry has a long-term interest in the factors that contribute to mental distress and suicide risk in older people, such as social isolation, retirement and sense of purpose.

He has led multiple ‘firsts’ in the context of suicide prevention and postvention both in Aotearoa New Zealand and overseas. In recognition of his outstanding contribution to mental wellbeing and suicide prevention, he was awarded in 2016 the NSW Mental Health Commissioner's Community Champion Award. He currently sits on the Health and Disability Ethics Committee.

Arising out of his work with those bereaved by suicide, he has held several leadership roles in the loss and grief sector. This has included being State President of National Association for Loss and Grief (Victoria) and the inaugural convenor of the Victorian Loss and Grief Practitioners Accreditation Committee. He has also developed and piloted an industry based Certificate of Bereavement Studies for the Australian Funeral Directors Association. He is an experienced grief counsellor using narra8ve approaches with a particular interest of working with men dealing with loss and trauma throughout their lifespan.

After a number of years overseas, Barry is living back in New Zealand and is passionate about building the knowledge base, competence and capability within our country to effectively respond to the unacceptably high rate of suicide in this country.

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Organiser Contact Details

Barry Taylor
Principal Consultant | TaylorMade Training and Consulting
Mobile: 022 397 9294
Email: registration@4wellbeing.nz Website: www.4wellbeing.nz

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